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Oct 7

What happens if you get arrested by the Bureau of Immigration

With the viral arrest of Dr. Patrick Ndukwuegbulam Obison after a shouting match with a local woman at a mall in Angeles City, I thought it'd be a good time to talk about what rights foreigners have when detained by the Bureau of Immigration (BI).

On paper:

The Supreme Court has ruled that foreigners do have a right to due process in deportation cases. In Qua Chee Gan v. Deportation Board (G.R. No. L-10280, September 30, 1963), the Court held that a foreigner must be told the charges, given time to prepare a defense, and allowed to be heard, either personally or through a lawyer. The BI's Board of Commissioners has to give you that hearing before issuing a deportation order. That's due process.

In real life:

Once you're arrested, you rot in the 'Manila Hilton.' The BI detention facility in Bicutan was built to hold a little over 100 people. In 2023, then-Commissioner Norman Tansingco said it was holding 276.

Foreigners charged with a crime can get bail just like Filipinos. But BI detention isn't a criminal case, so that right doesn't apply. In Harvey v. Defensor-Santiago (G.R. No. 82544, June 28, 1988), the Supreme Court ruled that deportation is an administrative process, not a criminal one, and that bail is at the Commissioner's discretion, not a right. That means foreigners can rot in detention for months waiting for their hearing. Meanwhile, if you stop paying rent, your landlord can come after you and your belongings for what you owe. Honestly, I get cranky after just a few hours without air con, so that alone is reason enough for me to behave.

The 'undesirable alien' rule gives the BI very broad discretion to remove a foreigner. So even if you put up a defense that would win in any court, the BI doesn't need a criminal conviction. If they decide they'd rather not have you around, that meets the legal bar for removal.

If the BI ever issued a mission order against me, I'd probably ask for voluntary departure rather than sit in Bicutan. Just know that it usually still means getting blacklisted. If you have strong ties here, I strongly recommend hiring a competent immigration lawyer. Fees vary a lot, so get quotes from a few. Even with a good lawyer, don't expect your case to be resolved quickly.

The part that stings is that if this had been between two Filipinos, it would have just ended at a barangay hall settlement with an apology and maybe a small sum of money changing hands. Unfortunately for Mr. Obison, even if he eventually wins his case, he'll wish he'd never gotten into that argument.

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If you're detainedHad it comingKeep your head downA broken systemBeware the localsHow barangays really workInside detention
If you're detained
RenegadeMaster88830

The best advice is not to get detained in the first place. Keeping a cool head and a low profile takes care of that in most cases. If you do get detained: ask what the charges are, ask for a lawyer, stay silent, request that your embassy be notified, and don't sign anything.

Had it coming
Consistent-Fix-844325

FAFO (mess around and find out). He forgot this wasn't Walmart or the US.

Keep your head down
weglarz9

My general philosophy living in the PH is to act like I have no rights at all. I don't get into confrontations, I don't push anything, I don't complain about anything, because I don't want to end up in a situation that could go downhill like what happened to the doctor. There's a really annoying guy down the hall from us who's constantly yelling at the people who bring him food, feed his pets, and so on. We hear him yelling almost every day. He even punched the wall right outside our condo and ripped the cameras off the walls, and I just had to sit there and do nothing because I'm not willing to test the waters. I'm not perfect though, my girlfriend had to stop me from going out there once. But it's better to just not get involved.

A broken system
Double-Zucchini-22829

Third world countries have third world justice systems. There's a YouTuber called WorldZoom who paid off a guard and got his phone inside the Cebu detention facility. I think they held him in horrible conditions for nearly 2 years. He paid a lot of money to get out of that facility and be deported back to the US. Watch his videos. It's a sobering reminder of how messed up the justice process is in the Philippines.

Beware the locals
kucjr9

Don't mess with these old women in the Philippines. They're narcissistic and have the power to manipulate the men into going along with whatever stupid stance they come up with that day. Just disengage and ignore them, they're not worth it at all.

How barangays really work
Gold_Boot377212

> The part that stings is if this had been between two Filipinos, it would've just ended up in the barangay hall settlement conference Let me correct you on that. Barangay hall settlement only happens if the two people know each other and/or live in the same barangay. To get to the point of being arrested, you must have done something that would get a local man arrested too. It's a high bar. Personally, when I travel abroad, I don't get into shouting matches with anyone. Not with my group, and definitely not with a local.

Inside detention
GE9633

Yeah, you'd wish you were a second-class citizen 😂 As a mere guest you just don't have many rights. Harsh but true.

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